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Washington Women’s Heritage Project records, 1900-2000 
University of Washington Libraries Special Collections 
Patricia Bumgarner Sanchez 
1981  
Cassette 1, Side 1 
 
 
Winona Weber  00:03 
That's interesting. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  00:04 
Long time. Why, that's where I met. I--I knew [?Barry Malson?] down there in Los Angeles.  
And so we all got together [the] means, you know, from the [inaudible] and we took over a 
bunch of kids with a bus. And I had a blue outfit, a blue, real pale blue suit on with red 
accessories. And I introduced Billy Mills to all the kids, and he put a big speech, had a big 
speech down there. Indian Center in Los Angeles. Takes us six hours of driving time to get to 
where we were at. 
 
Winona Weber  00:11 
Oh, I see.  Uh-huh [affirmative]. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  00:35 
And, uh, [clears throat]. And so I introduced them all. We had two days in Los Angeles. So we 
seen him quite often. And then I came up here a couple years later, and he was in Taholah.  
 
Winona Weber  01:08 
[Chuckles.] 
 
Patricia Sanchez  01:10 
And I just came in from clam digging. And I had short boots on.  
 
Winona Weber  01:17 
Uh-huh [amused]. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  01:17 
I had-- I was wet. It was dark time. I was cold. I was freezing. I was hungry, and-- 
 
Winona Weber  01:24 
[Chuckles.] Yeah. 
 
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Patricia Sanchez  01:26 
And my boots were wet. They were splush splush splush, and I took mom over there and I'm 
[inaudible]. I introduced them all to Billy Mills. He looked at me, and he says, "I know you."  
 
Winona Weber  01:41 
Yeah.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  01:42 
He said, "But you sure didn't look like that when I--" [They laugh.] Every time I take a step, I'll 
leave a pint of water on the floor because my boots was just filled with water. 
 
Winona Weber  01:55 
[Laughs.] Oh, geez! 
 
Patricia Sanchez  01:57 
I sure had to laugh about it, but I introduced him to all my-- We had a good time, evening. I 
never did ever see him after that, but I got some real nice pictures from him and then from mom, 
mom and him. And Jennifer, Jennifer. [Inaudible cross talk.]  
 
Winona Weber  01:57 
Oh, man. It really bothers me.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  02:32 
[Laughs quietly.] And I've met several people down there in that center in Los Angeles. You 
could go in there and just go, um, "Hey, we're so and so. I haven't seen you for a long time." Just 
like some of the Shaker meetings we go to up here. We'd go to Shaker meetings in springtime, 
you see all the Neah Bay people, or British Columbia people. People that you haven't seen since 
last year--[Cross talk.] 
 
Winona Weber  02:49 
Coming out of hibernation-- 
 
Patricia Sanchez  03:03 
Yeah, coming out of hibernation! That's why used to go berry picking.  
 
Winona Weber  03:09 
Where would you go berry picking?  
 
Patricia Sanchez  03:11 
Up around Puyallup Valley. 
 
Winona Weber  03:12 
Uh-huh [affirmative]. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  03:14 
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Then you see all the people that you haven't seen since last berry picking season. Everybody get 
together and all have a good time. Go to slahal games together. 
 
Winona Weber  03:29 
What is slahal? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  03:30 
Bone gamble. 
 
Winona Weber  03:39 
Okay. [Recorder moves, jumps.] --Started going to the berry fields? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  03:45 
Gee, I was really young. I must have been about 10.  
 
Winona Weber  03:52 
Uh-huh. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  03:54 
My dad used to work in the bulb field. Mansfield was the man's name. I can't remember what--
what-- I think his name was Hank. Hank Mansfield from Puyallup Valley.  
 
Winona Weber  04:09 
Yeah? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  04:10 
And then they didn't want to let my dad go. Because he was a real good worker. Always stuck 
with right-- Right with what he was doing, and they wanted to buy us a house. 
 
Winona Weber  04:21 
Oh, really? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  04:23 
In Somerton [self-corrected to Sumner later]. 
 
Winona Weber  04:24 
Uh-huh.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  04:24 
Right across from school in Somerton [self-corrected to Sumner later]. As--of course, we're born 
and bred Indians. Have to be on the reservation all the time. We wouldn't go for it. They were 
going to buy us a home. Everything, just so my dad would stay with there and work with--for 
them. And then he was going to pay it back with what he had, you know, out of his pay period. 
But we didn't want to go for that, so we had to come back to Taholah. My mom worked in the 
bulb field--not in the fields, but in the bulb shed, and my dad hauled bulbs. That's where there 
was-- Oh, what--I know they're King Alfreds, I can't--Daffodils. Daffodils. Fields and fields and 
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fields of them. Daffodil bulbs. That's what my dad and mom were working. We [inaudible] 
trappers around Puyallup Valley. Every evening, we would have to come-- when my dad and 
mom would get home from work, their, their relaxation was going--go for a ride. 
 
Winona Weber  05:18 
Oh, man.  Uh-huh. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  05:49 
Go through Puyallup. Go through Somerton, go--Somerton? Yeah. Sumner, Sumner. Okay, 
Somerton's in Arizona. [Chuckles.] 
 
Winona Weber  06:01 
I thought you meant Sumner. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  06:02 
Every Saturday at five o'clock, get five o'clock, go to Tacoma. Just sit. Saturday afternoon, 
would have dinner first in Tacoma. Then we would sit and just watch the people go by. Very 
interesting, just to watch people make clowns of themselves.  
 
Winona Weber  06:05 
[Laughs.]  
 
Patricia Sanchez  06:28 
We never, we never drank, but we would go from one place to another just those restaurants.  
 
Winona Weber  06:34 
Yeah.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  06:35 
Us kids would run around. Just young little squirts, we would still be running around. We never 
got too far from the truck. Jump in the back of the truck and just watch people walk, hollering 
and screaming, and there'd be fighting, getting kicked out of restaurants.  
 
Winona Weber  06:56 
[Laughs quietly.] 
 
Patricia Sanchez  06:58 
But that was--that was our Sumner. That was our summers, and we really enjoyed them, 
beautiful at times. 
 
Winona Weber  07:11 
Did you have as much-- When you were--when you were little, were you given as much 
independence as--as mom and Uncle Buzz were when they were in Taholah? Do you think? 
They talk about, you know, going up the river by themselves, and all that? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  07:33 
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No, no, no, no. I--I lived up the river. I lived with my dad up the river. We had a cabin.  
 
Winona Weber  07:40 
Yeah.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  07:40 
But my mom, mom, and Mary and Lois--they lived down the river.  
 
Winona Weber  07:45 
Mh-hm.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  07:46 
And the only way I can go up the river is my dad worked. He ran the fish house and I went to 
school.  
 
Winona Weber  07:54 
Mhm.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  07:55 
I would hitchhike up the river because there was no trail to our place, and I would hitchhike with 
Leonard [inaudible].  
 
Winona Weber  08:04 
Oh, I see.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  08:05 
He lived right down--our next door neighbor, but he lived on the cliff, and ours was on the flats. 
And then I would hitchhike with him and, then I'd hitchhike with Peter Bruce. 
 
Winona Weber  08:18 
Uh-huh [affirmative].  
 
Patricia Sanchez  08:19 
Peter Bruce and his wife. They lived right across the river from us. We all had our little houses 
up there. I had a lot of freedom because I had my--I had some little trap lines that my dad would 
set for me, and I'd run them, but I was never scared. I was never scared to be alone in our cabin. 
My dad would come up there after he would get through work. And I would always be home or 
outside. I was never scared of the woods. I was never scared of the bears or anything, but I was 
never out after dark. Never out after dark. Our refrigerator was the stream that ran through there. 
We had a wooden box, and cold water always ran. We always had milk and juice, and everything 
in there. Our milk came in--didn't come in these plastic containers or paper containers, they were 
always in glass bottles. Never had nothing to worry about.  
 
Winona Weber  09:30 
About how far up the river were you?  
 
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Patricia Sanchez  09:33 
Not really too far, maybe three-and-a-half miles. 
 
Winona Weber  09:38 
That's up above that first ripple, isn't it? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  09:41 
Mm-hm [affirmative]. Right on a turn. We have an eddy right there.  
 
Winona Weber  09:47 
Did you--Did--did your dad have an, have an eddy set there? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  09:52 
Mm-hm.  That's where he fished. Last about every year.  
 
Winona Weber  09:53 
That's where he fished? What do you mean it lasts about?  
 
Patricia Sanchez  10:02 
With, um-- Because logs and, logs and stumps would come and get into the eddy, so he would 
have to [inaudible]. But we would--but we would--  
 
Winona Weber  10:14 
[Whispered inaudible speech, shifting.] [Murmuring, shifting.] Mmm, goodness. Careful. [Clears 
throat.] I'm gonna see if [inaudible]. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  10:16 
Oh, she's sleeping. 
 
Winona Weber  10:23 
[Shifting positions.] Turn out the light there. That won't bother her.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  10:28 
Don't need light.  [Inaudible response.] 
 
Winona Weber  10:48 
Yeah. She's had a real good morning. She's gonna go back to sleep. Wha--how-- When would 
you go up there? I mean, what time of year would you go up there? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  11:00 
We would go in the-- Well, we-- We didn't spend too much time in the winter, but we always, 
always moved up there in the fall time, and then we would move back to Taholah, I mean, down 
to-- 
 
Winona Weber  11:14 
The village? 
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Patricia Sanchez  11:15 
The village, and then move back up there in the spring. 
 
Winona Weber  11:18 
Uh-huh.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  11:19 
The springtime, and then we'd stay there all until school was out. We had-- It was quite late--late 
fall when we would come back home because I remember going to school from the canoe-- 
 
Winona Weber  11:37 
Oh? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  11:38 
I would come down the river. My dad fished every two hours. Two hours he would run his net. 
 
Winona Weber  11:47 
Did--did he have a set net there? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  11:49 
He had a set net right there. 
 
Winona Weber  11:50 
And then he'd check it every two hours?  
 
Patricia Sanchez  11:52 
Every two hours. Then when he was working in the daytime to run the house, Connie Mail 
would run it, run his net for him. So we'd get back up the river, then. He would take over right 
after. Always to get the fish them days. Nothing now. [Sighs.] 
 
Winona Weber  12:23 
What kind of house was it that you lived in there?  
 
Patricia Sanchez  12:25 
We had-- 
 
Winona Weber  12:26 
--Up at the eddy? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  12:28 
A real nice cabin. We had a real nice cabin. Only trouble is, it, uh, it was up on stilts. 
 
Winona Weber  12:38 
Did you have to go up a ladder? 
 
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Patricia Sanchez  12:39 
Mm-hm [affirmative]. 
 
Winona Weber  12:40 
You know, I remember going up that ladder.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  12:43 
Do you remember going up that ladder?  
 
Winona Weber  12:45 
Well, the thing was I was too little to go up it. Someone carried me up it. That's the only memory 
I had with that fish house. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  12:52 
Hmmm. 
 
Winona Weber  12:52 
I was really little. I must have been as big as she was. I was too little to go up the ladder, couldn't 
reach the rungs. [They laugh.] I remember because I tried, and someone picked me up and 
carried me. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  13:05 
Mmm-hm.  
 
Winona Weber  13:06 
 it was on stilts. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  13:07 
It was on stilts because the water would come in. Water would come up that high. Never did ever 
bother nothing. We had it for years and years and years, and [?of course there was one?] time. I 
guess was--it was, um-- Well, it was quite a while after my dad passed away that--that it start 
eating out right where, right where the cabin was, and then it just toppled over, went to the river. 
[Inaudible cross talk.] I don't remember who they got that cabin from. I don't remember who they 
got that fishing ground from. 
 
Winona Weber  13:54 
The cabin was already there? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  13:55 
The cabin was already there, my dad just redid it. That--oh it was so, just content. Just beautiful 
just to be up there, and be amongst the birds. So nice and quiet and just--even just be at peace 
with yourself all the time. I had a beautiful childhood. Not a crowded one. I had a crowded 
childhood ago not--not a, um-- Not where you-- My mother never hollered and screamed at me, 
and my dad never did scream, never did raise his voice to me. But I think it was because I was--I 
was the first, first after losing three children. 
 
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Winona Weber  14:01 
Oh, I see. Mm-hm.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  14:53 
And all their-- All they're-- Oh, my dad's lovely to me. I bet he could muster, you know, because 
he had three other children. 
 
Winona Weber  15:06 
Oh, yeah. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  15:07 
And then I came along. They had three children, and they lost three children, and then that's why 
I was such a spoiled brat, I guess. [They laugh quietly.] But I can never remember--I could 
always remember getting a cold or anything when I would be sick, my mother never believed in 
penicillin or taking us to the hospital, or taking us to the doctor, or--or to a clinic or anything. We 
had--she always doctored us up at home, with mustard oil. And then our cough syrup was onion. 
She--she always cut up onions and put them back of the stove, put a little bit of water and sugar 
on it, and let it steep, and we had to do that. Or Kastoria. No--kastoria? Is that--? No, cod liver 
oil. Cod liver oil. And then shove an orange right in their mouth. That was to keep us from 
getting a cold. If we wanted a cold, we knew we was going to get that.  
 
Winona Weber  16:21 
[Laughs, then coughs.]  
 
Patricia Sanchez  16:25 
Another thing I can remember is my uncle--my uncle Mitchell. Mitchell Charlie. 
 
Winona Weber  16:32 
Mm-hm [affirmative]. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  16:32 
He used to set and rock me. I was really a brat with him also.  
 
Winona Weber  16:38 
[Chuckles.]  
 
Patricia Sanchez  16:39 
He would sit and rock me, and he would say, "Well, you better go to sleep, or I'll sing again." 
My uncle couldn't even hold a tune in a paper bag.  
 
Winona Weber  16:49 
Now I know where [?Ernie?] gets it! [They laugh.]  
 
Patricia Sanchez  16:52 
He can't either? [Inaudible cross talk.] Tuneless. "Shut up and go to sleep or I'll sing again." 
 
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Winona Weber  17:02 
[Laughs. Coughs.] 
 
Patricia Sanchez  17:02 
Yeah, there was nothing I ever wanted when I was a girl. My mom hollered and screamed at me, 
but--but it didn't amount to nothing. 
 
Winona Weber  17:24 
Mm-hm.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  17:26 
But ever--if she ever came through with some or her threats that she would threaten--threaten me 
with, I would be a nervous wreck, but I don't have a nerve in my body. 
 
Winona Weber  17:37 
[Chuckles], yeah. Your father wasn't the disciplinarian in the family, then? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  17:47 
Mm-mm [negative]. No, we--we never got too far away from the house when we lived down on 
the village. We never got too far because we were always so afraid of-- We--we were brought up 
with Indian stories.  
 
Winona Weber  17:47 
Yeah. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  18:07 
Indian legends, and--and we would sit around at nighttime with a candle, and they would tell us 
about spooky stories. And so we never did venture too far. And then we had--we had a motor 
that--that we ran our lights off of when we lived there on the front street.  
 
Winona Weber  18:34 
Mhm [affirmative]. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  18:35 
And we had an old woodshed where the motor was because my dad--my dad would have a little 
restaurant--[recorder shifts]. 
 
Winona Weber  18:52 
He had a restaurant. Where was that? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  18:55 
Right between--right between Indian Pete's Restaurant and-- There was three restaurants right in 
a row. There was Indian Pete's Restaurant, which had a pool hall on it. And then our restaurant, 
and then--then it was the one that had the restaurant next to us, which belongs to Horton 
Capoeman now was Charlie Strong.  
 
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Winona Weber  19:20 
Oh, I see.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  19:21 
Charlie Strong had that restaurant. And Joe DeLaCruz had it. And then some teachers from--I 
don't know, I can't remember what their name was. Real big heavyset lady, and then Horton 
Capoeman [inaudible]. 
 
Winona Weber  19:46 
Oh, I see. Horton Capoeman's [Inaudible.]  
 
Patricia Sanchez  19:49 
Yeah. But Charlie Strong had it when I was just as little girl. They're the ones that ran the 
[?Cyrene?].  
 
Winona Weber  20:01 
Oh, really?  
 
Patricia Sanchez  20:02 
And that gas pump--the gas pump they had there. They had gas there. It was the first one I ever 
did see that had a pump. 
 
Winona Weber  20:14 
Oh, really? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  20:14 
You pump the gas into the--into this big glass thing. It had one, two, three, always up to 10. 
 
Winona Weber  20:22 
Uh-huh [affirmative].  
 
Patricia Sanchez  20:23 
And then if you want 10 gallons, well then it would go always out and then if you wanted more, 
then you'd have to stand there and pump that thing.  
 
Winona Weber  20:32 
O--  
 
Patricia Sanchez  20:32 
That handle, and fill that big glass of gas so you can empty the gas out with the hose right into 
the car.  
 
Winona Weber  20:41 
Huh! Gee.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  20:46 
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[Inaudible.] We were always associated with the Shaker Church. My mother was never a Shaker, 
but my grandfather and grandmother both were. 
 
Winona Weber  21:01 
Yeah. [Inaudible.] Yeah [chuckles]. Your mother wasn't a Shaker? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  21:16 
My mother was never a Shaker. 
 
Winona Weber  21:19 
Mm-hm. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  21:19 
She--I think, at one time when she was a young girl, she stood and stood and stood and stood--I 
don't know how many days or weeks--and she never got nothing. 
 
Winona Weber  21:33 
Mm [sympathetic].  
 
Patricia Sanchez  21:34 
And my grandfathe--her mother and father--were both beautiful Shakers. 
 
Winona Weber  21:39 
Yeah.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  21:41 
But she never did, [inaudible]. So to this day she's a Pentecostal. I was never-- Oh, I can't say I 
was never interested in the Pentecostal church because I had to go there, but I guess it was 
because I had to go there that my interest in--with the Pentecostal Church. My interest was 
always with the Shaker Church. Not only that was my grandparents, but I guess because I had to 
go to the Pentecostal Church because I knew that it wasn't interesting. 
 
Winona Weber  22:19 
Hm. [Coughs.] I hate it when I start to say something and I [inaudible]-- Yeah, now I got a cold. 
Um, [inaudible]. How similar were the--were the Shakers and the Pentecostals?  
 
Patricia Sanchez  22:45 
Very, very different. 
 
Winona Weber  22:48 
Oh, yeah. Because people have a tendency to kind of lump them together. I know that the 
Shakers had their bells, and their candles, and everything. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  23:04 
That's it. They have their bells and their candles, that's what you work with. 
 
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Winona Weber  23:12 
You talked about Papa's song, you know, you were saying earlier? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  23:20 
Mhm [affirmative].  
 
Winona Weber  23:21 
What--what was a person's song? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  23:26 
When you join the shake. 
 
Winona Weber  23:30 
Uh-huh.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  23:30 
You get your gifts. 
 
Winona Weber  23:32 
Yeah. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  23:33 
And--and you get a song. 
 
Winona Weber  23:38 
Oh! 
 
Patricia Sanchez  23:39 
It don't come to you all at once. But you get your song. And then you're known by that song. 
That's so and so's song. And that is so and so's song. And you're the only one that knows it--you 
know, for a while, and then it don't come to all at once. But it comes to you piece by piece. You 
have to pray and you have to give up what you're--what you like. You give something up to get a 
piece of that song. You give something of yourself up. And your song is your blessing. That's 
yours. 
 
Winona Weber  24:28 
Yeah, very individual. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  24:30 
Mm-hm. And you're known by that song. I have never--I have never received a song. Only thing 
I can do is to see. 
 
Winona Weber  24:48 
Is to see, did you say? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  24:50 
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To see, uh-huh.  
 
Winona Weber  24:51 
What's that? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  24:52 
Like when--like when my mom had a stroke. 
 
Winona Weber  24:54 
Mm-hm.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  24:55 
I seen that--that-- She was going to be okay. Because I didn't know what it was that she was--
what was going wrong with her. But I seen at the end of this light. I seen that she was coming out 
of it okay. That it wasn't something really, really that much to really be concerned, even with her 
age. It wasn't her time. 
 
Winona Weber  25:24 
People say that Papa-- 
 
Patricia Sanchez  25:29 
George Charley? 
 
Winona Weber  25:30 
George Charley was, was that way? 
 
Patricia Sanchez  25:35 
Well, only thing I can. I remember my Papa. I remember him. I can--I can shut my eyes and 
think about him and I can see him. But I can remember him talking to the birds. And they would-
- I can remember one time, I was sitting down there in Georgetown, and he said, "No, don't come 
around here because they're not here." And he was talking to the birds. And they left. 
 
Winona Weber  26:07 
Mmm! 
 
Patricia Sanchez  26:09 
But my [inaudible] she's got--I don't know what it is. I don't know what, what it is to me. Or-- 
When I was sitting down in Georgetown, one time, it was moonlight, real moonlight, I was with 
[?Aunt Irene?]. And there's a trail from, from where we live--my uncle's house, Uncle Hank's 
house down there.  
 
Winona Weber  26:38 
Yeah, I [inaudible]. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  26:39 
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And there's a trail goes back to First and Second Canyon. And I was following that--following it, 
and it was just going dusk.  
 
Winona Weber  26:48 
Mhm. 
 
Patricia Sanchez  26:49 
And I can hear a crying, crying sound. And I don't, I went back. I went back and I told [?Aunt 
Irene?]. I said, "Do you know [?Aunt Irene?]. I said, I said, "There's a real eerie, eerie sound and 
me-- makes me feel eerie to think about it. But there was a crying, crying sound out there. 
Outside, and it was calling, it was begging me to go." 
 
Winona Weber  27:25 
Yeah.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  27:26 
And she said, "Oh." She said [clanking], "When you feel that and hear it again, get your candle. 
Get your candle and go." And she said, "Because that's my mother." 
 
Winona Weber  27:42 
Hmm!  
 
Patricia Sanchez  27:44 
She said my mother's name. My grandmother's name is Caroline [?Bartel?].  
 
Winona Weber  27:49 
Yeah.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  27:51 
And she said that when Papa was drinking real heavy, she buried a lot of money. And it's 
wrapped up in, in the hankerchief. Long time ago, hankerchiefs. The Indian's War was real big. 
And that money is all inside that basin. It's wrapped up with these hankerchiefs. And it's buried. 
 
Winona Weber  28:17 
Yeah.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  28:17 
And uh-- But that--that crying was beckoning me to go with it. But then it was getting dusk. I've 
never been scared of Georgetown. I've never been scared, but I'm scared of the dark.  
 
Winona Weber  28:32 
Mhm.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  28:33 
And that's the only reason I turned around and came back.  
 
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Winona Weber  28:37 
Yeah, I don't blame you.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  28:38 
If I--if I had--if I had a purpose to follow that, at that time, because that money is left there for a 
person that would have a purpose to build, and to help build up Georgetown because tha--my 
great-grandfather's name was Toke.  
 
Winona Weber  28:39 
Mhm.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  28:39 
And so that's where Tokeland gets its name, and that's our area. So, but if I had a purpose 
[Winona clears her throat]. If I had a purpose like, like if my people was-- Like my people from 
down in Georgetown was interested in the Shaker religion, I would put up a Shaker Church.  
 
Winona Weber  29:29 
Mhm.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  29:31 
But my people are not interested. And I can't put up a tavern. 
 
Winona Weber  29:39 
No, that's for sure. One thing they don't need down there is a tavern.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  29:44 
But that would be the only thing they woul--that would enthuse them, and they would all get 
busy really help me, you know. But to build up a Shaker Church, well, I wouldn't have no help. 
[Inaudible, moving sounds, clearing of throats.] They don't need a tavern. 
 
Winona Weber  30:08 
Boy, that's for sure.  
 
Patricia Sanchez  30:10 
They get-- they get enough [laughs], they get enough down there.  
 
Winona Weber  30:16 
Did you ever hear--your great-grandmother was Papa's mother. You know, we don't even have a 
name for her. 
 